1 00:00:06,650 --> 00:00:03,700 beaker Dean Radin he is I'm sure 2 00:00:08,330 --> 00:00:06,660 familiar to the majority of the people 3 00:00:10,430 --> 00:00:08,340 here if you're not familiar with his 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:10,440 work i recommend you become familiar 5 00:00:16,129 --> 00:00:13,530 he's the senior scientist at ions he's 6 00:00:17,990 --> 00:00:16,139 got several faculty appointments he's 7 00:00:20,810 --> 00:00:18,000 the author of I think about two hundred 8 00:00:22,580 --> 00:00:20,820 articles two wonderful books the 9 00:00:27,050 --> 00:00:22,590 conscious universe and most recently 10 00:00:29,179 --> 00:00:27,060 entangled minds he speaks widely many 11 00:00:31,519 --> 00:00:29,189 conferences were very happy to have him 12 00:00:33,290 --> 00:00:31,529 here he was at I seem as an invited 13 00:00:36,290 --> 00:00:33,300 speaker just before he's been on 14 00:00:38,420 --> 00:00:36,300 television radio all over his work is 15 00:00:47,319 --> 00:00:38,430 wonderful and he will be speaking on 16 00:00:53,540 --> 00:00:50,029 I'm going to talk about two experiments 17 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:53,550 and a little bit about an experiment 18 00:01:00,619 --> 00:00:55,530 that's on the drawing board and about to 19 00:01:02,990 --> 00:01:00,629 be run first one is presenting it which 20 00:01:05,719 --> 00:01:03,000 Garrett gave a good overview for 21 00:01:07,100 --> 00:01:05,729 presenta men is a feeling about an event 22 00:01:09,289 --> 00:01:07,110 in the future as opposed to a 23 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:09,299 precognition which is a knowing about an 24 00:01:14,179 --> 00:01:12,210 event it could also be thought of 25 00:01:24,210 --> 00:01:14,189 typically as a vague sense of impending 26 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:26,350 so here's how the experiment is designed 27 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:28,370 it's it's intentionally designed to be 28 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:29,690 very simple and to look like 29 00:01:34,210 --> 00:01:32,090 psychophysiology 101 and it's based on 30 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:34,220 that kind of design so you sit somebody 31 00:01:38,070 --> 00:01:36,050 down in front of a blank computer screen 32 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:38,080 and you record some form of 33 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:40,250 physiological measurement I typically 34 00:01:44,650 --> 00:01:41,690 use skin conductance although have you 35 00:01:46,180 --> 00:01:44,660 looked at others as well then they press 36 00:01:48,550 --> 00:01:46,190 a button when they're ready to begin the 37 00:01:50,470 --> 00:01:48,560 screen remains blank for five seconds 38 00:01:53,230 --> 00:01:50,480 and after the five seconds in the 39 00:01:56,110 --> 00:01:53,240 computer makes a truly random decision 40 00:01:58,360 --> 00:01:56,120 by dipping into a pool of six or seven 41 00:02:00,850 --> 00:01:58,370 hundred pictures and selects one and 42 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:00,860 then it shows it for three seconds it 43 00:02:04,870 --> 00:02:02,570 could either be a calm picture like a 44 00:02:07,540 --> 00:02:04,880 bunny or an emotional picture like a 45 00:02:11,350 --> 00:02:07,550 snake unless you're a bunny ologist or a 46 00:02:12,910 --> 00:02:11,360 herpetologist to their always 47 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:12,920 idiosyncratic responses to these 48 00:02:19,870 --> 00:02:16,370 pictures and then 10 seconds goes by and 49 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:19,880 you repeat this typically 30 to 40 50 00:02:23,949 --> 00:02:22,010 trials in one session so the whole 51 00:02:26,530 --> 00:02:23,959 experiment takes maybe 15 minutes at 52 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:26,540 most what I'm going to show you now is a 53 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:28,010 video clip that lasts about three 54 00:02:32,860 --> 00:02:29,810 minutes three or four minutes that was 55 00:02:35,170 --> 00:02:32,870 taken by the BBC for their science show 56 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:35,180 called the horizon it's also now being 57 00:02:44,820 --> 00:02:38,570 shown in the US by discovery science by 58 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:49,720 this dr. Dean Radin is hoping that he 59 00:02:54,009 --> 00:02:51,530 can prove that what the pilots call 60 00:02:56,860 --> 00:02:54,019 prediction could in fact be precognition 61 00:03:01,650 --> 00:02:56,870 a real ability to actually sense the 62 00:03:06,430 --> 00:03:04,300 his experiment records a person's 63 00:03:09,220 --> 00:03:06,440 emotional response to a series of 64 00:03:11,230 --> 00:03:09,230 pictures the images are from an 65 00:03:13,870 --> 00:03:11,240 internationally approved clinical test 66 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:13,880 for emotional response and are selected 67 00:03:21,010 --> 00:03:19,010 by the computer at random well we're 68 00:03:23,020 --> 00:03:21,020 expecting to see is that after a picture 69 00:03:24,730 --> 00:03:23,030 is seen if it's an emotional picture you 70 00:03:28,270 --> 00:03:24,740 get a large rise and skin conductance 71 00:03:33,190 --> 00:03:28,280 and after a calm picture person remains 72 00:03:36,910 --> 00:03:33,200 calm it'll continue to go down so far so 73 00:03:39,910 --> 00:03:36,920 good and unremarkable but what Dean is 74 00:03:44,110 --> 00:03:39,920 looking for is what happens before the 75 00:03:45,970 --> 00:03:44,120 randomly selected picture is shown we 76 00:03:47,770 --> 00:03:45,980 hope to see then as at before the 77 00:03:50,350 --> 00:03:47,780 emotional picture skin conductance will 78 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:50,360 already begin to go up and before the 79 00:03:57,940 --> 00:03:51,770 calm picture skin conductance will 80 00:04:00,700 --> 00:03:57,950 remain low and if that occurs and it 81 00:04:02,710 --> 00:04:00,710 shows that there's some aspect of us 82 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:02,720 that is able to outguess what is 83 00:04:13,050 --> 00:04:10,050 if this happens then Dean will have 84 00:04:18,930 --> 00:04:13,060 tangible evidence of an ability to sense 85 00:04:21,210 --> 00:04:18,940 the future but for the experiment to 86 00:04:27,030 --> 00:04:21,220 carry any weight the effect has to be 87 00:04:29,219 --> 00:04:27,040 observed consistently well if it happens 88 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:29,229 completely randomly that's guessing if 89 00:04:33,330 --> 00:04:30,970 it happens in such a way so that it is 90 00:04:35,250 --> 00:04:33,340 systematic and it suggests that it's not 91 00:04:39,450 --> 00:04:35,260 guessing but it's actually some 92 00:04:41,100 --> 00:04:39,460 perception of the future pictures where 93 00:04:44,129 --> 00:04:41,110 you're interested teams analyzed the 94 00:04:46,650 --> 00:04:44,139 data from his experiments this is the 95 00:04:49,770 --> 00:04:46,660 sector period before the picture 96 00:04:54,290 --> 00:04:49,780 appeared and as you see in both cases 97 00:04:59,969 --> 00:04:57,360 they show that for three or more seconds 98 00:05:03,690 --> 00:04:59,979 before an image is shown skin 99 00:05:06,830 --> 00:05:03,700 conductance does change consistently in 100 00:05:09,990 --> 00:05:06,840 anticipation of that future image 101 00:05:12,719 --> 00:05:10,000 incredibly the blue graph shows that 102 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:12,729 before a calm picture the anticipation 103 00:05:18,690 --> 00:05:15,610 is calm but before an emotional picture 104 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:18,700 is shown the red trace shows that the 105 00:05:31,690 --> 00:05:29,890 so when you do an in Samba LAN alisis 106 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:31,700 you do one subject who does repeated 107 00:05:36,580 --> 00:05:34,130 trials of this type what you can do is 108 00:05:38,710 --> 00:05:36,590 show the average of all of the emotional 109 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:38,720 trials that they got average of all of 110 00:05:44,170 --> 00:05:41,570 the calm trials you see where the trial 111 00:05:47,230 --> 00:05:44,180 begins they press a button where the 112 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:47,240 stimulus occurs and that difference in 113 00:05:51,970 --> 00:05:50,450 the baseline is the presentment effect 114 00:05:54,460 --> 00:05:51,980 in this case it's statistically 115 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:54,470 significant in one subject so I've done 116 00:05:58,990 --> 00:05:56,210 this kind of experiment many times 117 00:06:01,000 --> 00:05:59,000 probably most between 96 and 2000 one 118 00:06:03,670 --> 00:06:01,010 using skin conductance SEL is skin 119 00:06:05,230 --> 00:06:03,680 conductance level and you get a very 120 00:06:06,970 --> 00:06:05,240 strong result and these are typically 121 00:06:08,980 --> 00:06:06,980 unselected people who happen to just be 122 00:06:11,230 --> 00:06:08,990 around who are interested in trying it 123 00:06:13,540 --> 00:06:11,240 some people who claim that they have 124 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:13,550 precognitive experiences tend to do 125 00:06:18,340 --> 00:06:15,890 better on this test than an average 126 00:06:21,100 --> 00:06:18,350 person there are also people who don't 127 00:06:24,070 --> 00:06:21,110 do very well at this at all typically 128 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:24,080 psychotherapist do very badly on this 129 00:06:28,570 --> 00:06:26,930 test and I think the reason is that it's 130 00:06:30,270 --> 00:06:28,580 a test that that's looking at your 131 00:06:32,140 --> 00:06:30,280 emotional response to pictures and 132 00:06:34,450 --> 00:06:32,150 psychotherapist tend to go into therapy 133 00:06:37,930 --> 00:06:34,460 mode where they specifically learned to 134 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:37,940 not respond to the the emotional input 135 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:39,410 because otherwise it would freak out 136 00:06:46,090 --> 00:06:43,130 client so I tell both psychotherapist 137 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:46,100 and also meditators to not do that but 138 00:06:48,790 --> 00:06:47,570 to allow that yourself to feel the 139 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:48,800 emotion because otherwise there's 140 00:06:54,490 --> 00:06:52,490 nothing in your future to respond to so 141 00:06:56,290 --> 00:06:54,500 of course we do due diligence on this to 142 00:06:58,030 --> 00:06:56,300 look at every possible conventional 143 00:07:01,630 --> 00:06:58,040 explanation we can think of that might 144 00:07:04,090 --> 00:07:01,640 explain these results the all of the 145 00:07:05,740 --> 00:07:04,100 ones on the top from sensory cues all 146 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:05,750 the way down to subject fraud we're 147 00:07:09,940 --> 00:07:07,730 pretty well sure that this is not a good 148 00:07:11,230 --> 00:07:09,950 explanation the one that usually people 149 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:11,240 then think about is maybe it's an 150 00:07:16,300 --> 00:07:13,490 anticipatory effect it's a physiological 151 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:16,310 form of the gamblers fallacy but we've 152 00:07:19,690 --> 00:07:18,050 looked at that in detail as well and 153 00:07:21,910 --> 00:07:19,700 everyone who's conducted these 154 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:21,920 experiments and get significant results 155 00:07:25,390 --> 00:07:23,810 don't find any evidence that this is an 156 00:07:28,780 --> 00:07:25,400 anticipatory effect he's not a 157 00:07:30,340 --> 00:07:28,790 conventional one and as Garrett 158 00:07:32,350 --> 00:07:30,350 mentioned a dick bearman has done a 159 00:07:35,620 --> 00:07:32,360 version of this in the functional MRI 160 00:07:36,430 --> 00:07:35,630 and found that the amygdala is the spot 161 00:07:40,990 --> 00:07:36,440 that 162 00:07:43,090 --> 00:07:41,000 slightly larger effect in the right 163 00:07:46,930 --> 00:07:43,100 brain which I'm going to talk about a 164 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:46,940 little bit later so today I'm aware of 165 00:07:50,980 --> 00:07:49,370 twenty presentiments periments using a 166 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:50,990 variety of different kinds of 167 00:07:56,470 --> 00:07:52,490 physiological measurements from skin 168 00:07:57,610 --> 00:07:56,480 conductance fMRI heart rate EEG this 169 00:08:00,190 --> 00:07:57,620 what I'm going to talk about now is 170 00:08:02,530 --> 00:08:00,200 pupil dilation of these experiments I 171 00:08:04,930 --> 00:08:02,540 think only two went in the non predicted 172 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:04,940 direction and 11 are statistically 173 00:08:09,010 --> 00:08:07,130 significant so we haven't done a formal 174 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:09,020 meta-analysis yet but if we do one it's 175 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:10,490 going to be a whopping ly significant 176 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:15,290 effect so presenting and pupil dilation 177 00:08:19,300 --> 00:08:17,210 the reason I got interested in this is 178 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:19,310 because the pupil is a very interesting 179 00:08:23,350 --> 00:08:21,770 target to use it shows a balance between 180 00:08:26,140 --> 00:08:23,360 the sympathetic and the parasympathetic 181 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:26,150 nervous system you can also tell you can 182 00:08:29,620 --> 00:08:27,890 infer all kinds of interesting things by 183 00:08:32,409 --> 00:08:29,630 where the eye is looking and also by how 184 00:08:34,570 --> 00:08:32,419 often you blink an addition allows us to 185 00:08:37,209 --> 00:08:34,580 look more poetically at this idea of 186 00:08:39,310 --> 00:08:37,219 what does the C or C when you're seeing 187 00:08:41,770 --> 00:08:39,320 something especially you're seeing it in 188 00:08:44,260 --> 00:08:41,780 the future well what is that so it 189 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:44,270 allowed us to do a test of that sort so 190 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:47,330 here is a Celeste sitting in the eye 191 00:08:52,810 --> 00:08:49,370 tracker there's a little camera over 192 00:08:54,940 --> 00:08:52,820 here that's looking at awry but the 193 00:08:57,460 --> 00:08:54,950 experimenter QC is a close-up of her 194 00:08:59,200 --> 00:08:57,470 pupil with the software or the firmware 195 00:09:01,150 --> 00:08:59,210 actually will detect where her pupil is 196 00:09:03,250 --> 00:09:01,160 and 60 times a second measure how big it 197 00:09:05,350 --> 00:09:03,260 is and also put crosshairs over where 198 00:09:06,550 --> 00:09:05,360 her eye is looking so on the top I can 199 00:09:08,620 --> 00:09:06,560 see what she's looking at in the 200 00:09:13,780 --> 00:09:08,630 crosshairs tell me exactly where in that 201 00:09:16,060 --> 00:09:13,790 picture she's looking so what we get 202 00:09:19,390 --> 00:09:16,070 then is this section is before the 203 00:09:20,680 --> 00:09:19,400 stimulus appears and this section is 204 00:09:24,250 --> 00:09:20,690 during the stimulus I don't know why 205 00:09:26,350 --> 00:09:24,260 these little esas drop down this that 206 00:09:28,270 --> 00:09:26,360 this curve corresponds to emotional 207 00:09:30,850 --> 00:09:28,280 pictures and this curve to calm pictures 208 00:09:32,470 --> 00:09:30,860 and that difference is the presentment 209 00:09:34,150 --> 00:09:32,480 difference that we're looking for so I 210 00:09:35,500 --> 00:09:34,160 expected to see this because it's 211 00:09:38,410 --> 00:09:35,510 basically the same as using skin 212 00:09:40,030 --> 00:09:38,420 conductance but now that we got a 213 00:09:43,870 --> 00:09:40,040 significant effect it allowed me to look 214 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:43,880 at some other things for example people 215 00:09:48,310 --> 00:09:46,970 blink more before seeing an emotional 216 00:09:50,230 --> 00:09:48,320 picture than before seeing a calm 217 00:09:51,550 --> 00:09:50,240 picture the way you infer this 218 00:09:53,829 --> 00:09:51,560 the night racking system is when your 219 00:09:56,079 --> 00:09:53,839 eye is closed you lose data about the 220 00:09:59,019 --> 00:09:56,089 pupil and so every time you guys closed